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By: Peeking Into the Black Box, Part 2: Algorithm Meets World | Recoset Machine Learning and Predictive Analytics http://www.mikeonads.com/2010/09/25/price-floors-second-price-auctions-and-market-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-147272 Peeking Into the Black Box, Part 2: Algorithm Meets World | Recoset Machine Learning and Predictive Analytics Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:30:58 +0000 http://www.mikeonads.com/?p=553#comment-147272 [...] type of auction; it certainly doesn’t raise the bid value to win an unprofitable impression. Mike on Ads has a good post about why it’s a bad idea for publishers to do this, based on some hypothetical behaviour of [...] [...] type of auction; it certainly doesn’t raise the bid value to win an unprofitable impression. Mike on Ads has a good post about why it’s a bad idea for publishers to do this, based on some hypothetical behaviour of [...]

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By: Ilya Kipnis http://www.mikeonads.com/2010/09/25/price-floors-second-price-auctions-and-market-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-136258 Ilya Kipnis Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:08:26 +0000 http://www.mikeonads.com/?p=553#comment-136258 New reader here (Mr. Scott Menzer advised me to read your blog since I'm interested in working for your firm)...I wonder how fast companies can change the rates on the rate card, because I think with the proper use of statistics and the employment of a binary search or newton-raphson algorithm, can't (theoretically), a company get to an optimal floor price for which its revenues are maximized? Furthermore, just from a ten-thousand foot perspective with the second-price RTB model...say bidding just begins and we start at oh, for the sake of simplicity, a penny for a set of impressions that can be appraised for say, $.30 CPM. If I know this is a second-price model, can't I make a ridiculous bid such as $10.00 PM and then lock in some sort of low price? I guess I'm going under the assumption that A) the bidding happens in discrete time B) bid reception is instantaneous and C) all information is public (EG if I bid 30 cents, then all other bidders immediately know I bid 30 cents). Now I'm probably missing something here. But I'm not sure what it is. New reader here (Mr. Scott Menzer advised me to read your blog since I’m interested in working for your firm)…I wonder how fast companies can change the rates on the rate card, because I think with the proper use of statistics and the employment of a binary search or newton-raphson algorithm, can’t (theoretically), a company get to an optimal floor price for which its revenues are maximized?

Furthermore, just from a ten-thousand foot perspective with the second-price RTB model…say bidding just begins and we start at oh, for the sake of simplicity, a penny for a set of impressions that can be appraised for say, $.30 CPM. If I know this is a second-price model, can’t I make a ridiculous bid such as $10.00 PM and then lock in some sort of low price? I guess I’m going under the assumption that A) the bidding happens in discrete time B) bid reception is instantaneous and C) all information is public (EG if I bid 30 cents, then all other bidders immediately know I bid 30 cents).

Now I’m probably missing something here. But I’m not sure what it is.

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By: Behavioral Advertising / Publicité Comportementale » Price floors, second price auctions and market dynamics http://www.mikeonads.com/2010/09/25/price-floors-second-price-auctions-and-market-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-132221 Behavioral Advertising / Publicité Comportementale » Price floors, second price auctions and market dynamics Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:52:52 +0000 http://www.mikeonads.com/?p=553#comment-132221 [...] One of the things that is often discussed but not often written about are the market mechanics that ... [...] [...] One of the things that is often discussed but not often written about are the market mechanics that … [...]

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By: Tim Wintle http://www.mikeonads.com/2010/09/25/price-floors-second-price-auctions-and-market-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-132197 Tim Wintle Thu, 07 Oct 2010 10:28:45 +0000 http://www.mikeonads.com/?p=553#comment-132197 Emily: the differences between the ebay and ad-server second price auctions are that on ebay the auction happens once (as there's only one item), and bidders reveal information about themselves by bidding (since others can see their bids). As a result, there is asymmetric information between the bidders (the person who has the current highest bid has revealed more information than others) For ad serving you have sealed bids (so nobody knows what the other bidders are bidding). Optimum bidding strategies are different as a consequence. Emily: the differences between the ebay and ad-server second price auctions are that on ebay the auction happens once (as there’s only one item), and bidders reveal information about themselves by bidding (since others can see their bids).

As a result, there is asymmetric information between the bidders (the person who has the current highest bid has revealed more information than others)

For ad serving you have sealed bids (so nobody knows what the other bidders are bidding). Optimum bidding strategies are different as a consequence.

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By: ian http://www.mikeonads.com/2010/09/25/price-floors-second-price-auctions-and-market-dynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-132090 ian Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:08:33 +0000 http://www.mikeonads.com/?p=553#comment-132090 interesting article, but I think it has flawed logic. their arguments are that floors reduce profitability for the publisher, and shouldn't be used. if you look at example tables, the first one makes $13 for the publisher, the 2nd $7 (which uses a smarter bidding strategy), and the 3rd (with floors) $6.50. the smarter bidding strategy sounds the best, but it doesn't include the probability that the user won't get to the 3rd/4th impression (ie the risk associated with the browser not seeing the ad at all), and he might have to end up raising it to get his inventory filled. the 3rd one sounds bad, but it assumes that the publisher's house ads can't make more than 50c over 6 positions (have a lower CPM than 9c), which may not be true. what it does point to (to me) is that the publisher should be putting his house ads into the RTB as well, which they are doing by putting a floor on there. The floor being the house-ad or best offer the can get not using the RTB. interesting article, but I think it has flawed logic.

their arguments are that floors reduce profitability for the publisher, and shouldn’t be used.

if you look at example tables, the first one makes $13 for the publisher, the 2nd $7 (which uses a smarter bidding strategy), and the 3rd (with floors) $6.50.

the smarter bidding strategy sounds the best, but it doesn’t include the probability that the user won’t get to the 3rd/4th impression (ie the risk associated with the browser not seeing the ad at all), and he might have to end up raising it to get his inventory filled.

the 3rd one sounds bad, but it assumes that the publisher’s house ads can’t make more than 50c over 6 positions (have a lower CPM than 9c), which may not be true.

what it does point to (to me) is that the publisher should be putting his house ads into the RTB as well, which they are doing by putting a floor on there. The floor being the house-ad or best offer the can get not using the RTB.

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